Comments on: Going Up Against the Best http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2008/going-up-against-the-best/ Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:57:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Andrew out of Rochester http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2008/going-up-against-the-best/comment-page-2/#comment-21966 Andrew out of Rochester Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:12:46 +0000 http://www.thelosscolumn.com/?p=1350#comment-21966 Three reasons (lets see if I can do it): 1) Chris Ray (aHA!) 2) I think the way the Gagne trade worked out, combined with Sherrill's lack of a history throwing this amount of innings ever, plus the Stanhousian saves he is getting, will tend to make teams wary of giving up anything close to the Gagne deal (which I thought was stupid at the time, even...I mean, a good looking starter and two other guys for basically a 7th inning dude?) 3)...the lOst season is quickly turning into something far more uplifting. If/when the Orioles fade in August (remember! I've been on record all along that while the first half has been real, real nice...I only care about how the team does in August and September), and Sherrill and his wackiness is a part of that. If I'm Andy Mac, I let the team stay together unless I get that kind of Gagnian deal proposed - which will probably not happen - until the offseason and then put these guys on the block. Sherrill should still have very good value unless he falls off in the second half. Three reasons (lets see if I can do it):

1) Chris Ray (aHA!)
2) I think the way the Gagne trade worked out, combined with Sherrill’s lack of a history throwing this amount of innings ever, plus the Stanhousian saves he is getting, will tend to make teams wary of giving up anything close to the Gagne deal (which I thought was stupid at the time, even…I mean, a good looking starter and two other guys for basically a 7th inning dude?)
3)…the lOst season is quickly turning into something far more uplifting. If/when the Orioles fade in August (remember! I’ve been on record all along that while the first half has been real, real nice…I only care about how the team does in August and September), and Sherrill and his wackiness is a part of that. If I’m Andy Mac, I let the team stay together unless I get that kind of Gagnian deal proposed – which will probably not happen – until the offseason and then put these guys on the block. Sherrill should still have very good value unless he falls off in the second half.

]]> By: dan the man http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2008/going-up-against-the-best/comment-page-2/#comment-21965 dan the man Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:59:16 +0000 http://www.thelosscolumn.com/?p=1350#comment-21965 All I can say about trading Sherrill is that either way, I'll trust MacPhail. You don't stumble across guys like Sherrill too often, although we may have stumbled across one in Jim Johnson. Chris Ray is a giant question mark. Hoey is in the wings, somewhere, as is McCrory. But they are questionable also. It all depends on who we'd get for Guys We Don't Want To See Leave aka Brian Roberts and George Sherrill. One thing is for sure - the farm system ain't fixed yet by a long shot. But I don't think you can trade these dudes unless you're being offered a desperate package of real deal young talent. It'll be interesting to see whats up in July. All I can say about trading Sherrill is that either way, I’ll trust MacPhail. You don’t stumble across guys like Sherrill too often, although we may have stumbled across one in Jim Johnson. Chris Ray is a giant question mark. Hoey is in the wings, somewhere, as is McCrory. But they are questionable also. It all depends on who we’d get for Guys We Don’t Want To See Leave aka Brian Roberts and George Sherrill. One thing is for sure – the farm system ain’t fixed yet by a long shot. But I don’t think you can trade these dudes unless you’re being offered a desperate package of real deal young talent. It’ll be interesting to see whats up in July.

]]> By: Joe the Guy http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2008/going-up-against-the-best/comment-page-2/#comment-21963 Joe the Guy Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:19:50 +0000 http://www.thelosscolumn.com/?p=1350#comment-21963 As we slowly fall out of contention between now and september the save opportunities will become fewer and far between, but Flatbrim has to work regularly, so he gets put up there in more risky situations, his numbers inflate...it's not brain surgery we need to trade him while he's playing above expectations and career averages what the hell do we need a closer for anyways? I've got 3 reasons why we don't need one 1) the lOst season 2) chris ray 3) andy mac's track record with trades I'd like to see 3 reasons not to trade him, if they exist. I love his attitude, the brim of his hat and his giant balls, as proven last night. You answered you're own question, "what's really getting lost" is the extra pieces that a desperate team throws in while in the middle of a pennant race. RED SOX ANALOGY JUST TO RILE YOU: ENGEL BELTRE Sox traded Kason Gabbard David Murphy (potential ROY) & lower prospect Engel Beltre for Eric Gagne from rotoworld: David Murphy and Kason Gabbard have already paid dividends, but Beltre has the most raw talent of the players the Rangers picked up from the Red Sox for Eric Gagne last summer. The 18-year-old is batting .295/.331/.446 in the Midwest League. As we slowly fall out of contention between now and september
the save opportunities will become fewer and far between, but Flatbrim has to work regularly, so he gets put up there in more risky situations, his numbers inflate…it’s not brain surgery

we need to trade him while he’s playing above expectations and career averages

what the hell do we need a closer for anyways? I’ve got 3 reasons why we don’t need one

1) the lOst season
2) chris ray
3) andy mac’s track record with trades

I’d like to see 3 reasons not to trade him, if they exist.

I love his attitude, the brim of his hat and his giant balls, as proven last night.

You answered you’re own question, “what’s really getting lost” is the extra pieces that a desperate team throws in while in the middle of a pennant race.

RED SOX ANALOGY JUST TO RILE YOU: ENGEL BELTRE

Sox traded Kason Gabbard David Murphy (potential ROY) & lower prospect Engel Beltre for Eric Gagne

from rotoworld:

David Murphy and Kason Gabbard have already paid dividends, but Beltre has the most raw talent of the players the Rangers picked up from the Red Sox for Eric Gagne last summer. The 18-year-old is batting .295/.331/.446 in the Midwest League.

]]> By: Andrew out of Rochester http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2008/going-up-against-the-best/comment-page-2/#comment-21957 Andrew out of Rochester Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:20:14 +0000 http://www.thelosscolumn.com/?p=1350#comment-21957 I think that we can trade whoever we want in the offseason and only lose a little value...I'd actually be surprised if that's not the plan, to stick with the team as is and see what they can do and then build next year's roster in the winter. Obviously, Roberts loses something with that one year left, but compared to 1.5 years, what's really getting lost? Of course, some teams act a lot stupider in the middle of a "pennant race" than they would in the offseason... I think that we can trade whoever we want in the offseason and only lose a little value…I’d actually be surprised if that’s not the plan, to stick with the team as is and see what they can do and then build next year’s roster in the winter. Obviously, Roberts loses something with that one year left, but compared to 1.5 years, what’s really getting lost?

Of course, some teams act a lot stupider in the middle of a “pennant race” than they would in the offseason…

]]> By: Joe the Guy http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2008/going-up-against-the-best/comment-page-2/#comment-21956 Joe the Guy Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:15:26 +0000 http://www.thelosscolumn.com/?p=1350#comment-21956 if you get back a good haul then you pull the trigger. end of arguement. no player is untradeable. this means YOU brian roberts and you too DtM with your heartfelt pleas and shit. I would aruge that Sherrill's value is at an ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM and that we should trade him NOW NOW NOW before it goes down - and that this should be a higher priority than BRob. but I should admit, I still have daydreams about Chris Ray that I can't explain, so maybe that's part of it... if you get back a good haul then you pull the trigger. end of arguement. no player is untradeable. this means YOU brian roberts and you too DtM with your heartfelt pleas and shit.

I would aruge that Sherrill’s value is at an ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM and that we should trade him NOW NOW NOW before it goes down – and that this should be a higher priority than BRob.

but I should admit, I still have daydreams about Chris Ray that I can’t explain, so maybe that’s part of it…

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