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		<title>By: Andrew in Rochester</title>
		<link>http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2008/whos-your-25-plus-os-tribe/comment-page-1/#comment-24833</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew in Rochester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d hold onto Sarfate...he was horrible, just awful as a starter, but he&#039;s been useful in the pen.  Interesting thoughts that Cabrera, Baez, and Walker could be cut - I wonder how many games Walker has cost us this year with his awful pitching.  I also wonder what happened to him...maybe we just over used him last year?  He was excellent, and now he&#039;s just really, really bad.  I guess that&#039;s what happens when you take a LOOGY and make him your eighth inning guy (and sometimes closer)...I&#039;d be on the lookout for the same thing to happen to Sherrill next year.

Hmm.  If I were in charge, I&#039;d probably cut all three and say &quot;Fuck it, these guys suck and can&#039;t help us longterm or shortterm, let&#039;s put in some major league minimum guys and win some games.&quot;  But then I worry about Patton and Albers and the very strong possibility that they could give us nothing and both would retire because of injuries real soon.  They could Matt Albers from the first half of this year, or they could be Jaret Wright from last year.  Yuck.  But I&#039;d still probably cut Walker and replace him with Mickolio or Cormier.

Bottom line, as I sit here thinking about this, is that a lot of this is shuffling the deck chairs.  We&#039;re not going to be any good next year either.  The rotation is still going to be inexperienced, and we&#039;re still going to have offensive holes at short and first at least.  If Roberts or Huff get traded, that&#039;s our lead off guy and our clean up hitter gone.  

What next year is is the chance to wait on Tillman and Arrieta and Matusz.  Those are the guys we&#039;re waiting on, combine them with Guthrie and one other veteran stabilizer and you&#039;ve got your rotation...and we won&#039;t be any good until we have a rotation.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;24833&#039;,&#039;Andrew in Rochester&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;24833&#039;,&#039;Andrew in Rochester&#039;,&#039;I\&#039;d hold onto Sarfate...he was horrible, just awful as a starter, but he\&#039;s been useful in the pen.  Interesting thoughts that Cabrera, Baez, and Walker could be cut - I wonder how many games Walker has cost us this year with his awful pitching.  I also wonder what happened to him...maybe we just over used him last year?  He was excellent, and now he\&#039;s just really, really bad.  I guess that\&#039;s what happens when you take a LOOGY and make him your eighth inning guy (and sometimes closer)...I\&#039;d be on the lookout for the same thing to happen to Sherrill next year.\r\n\r\nHmm.  If I were in charge, I\&#039;d probably cut all three and say \&quot;Fuck it, these guys suck and can\&#039;t help us longterm or shortterm, let\&#039;s put in some major league minimum guys and win some games.\&quot;  But then I worry about Patton and Albers and the very strong possibility that they could give us nothing and both would retire because of injuries real soon.  They could Matt Albers from the first half of this year, or they could be Jaret Wright from last year.  Yuck.  But I\&#039;d still probably cut Walker and replace him with Mickolio or Cormier.\r\n\r\nBottom line, as I sit here thinking about this, is that a lot of this is shuffling the deck chairs.  We\&#039;re not going to be any good next year either.  The rotation is still going to be inexperienced, and we\&#039;re still going to have offensive holes at short and first at least.  If Roberts or Huff get traded, that\&#039;s our lead off guy and our clean up hitter gone.  \r\n\r\nWhat next year is is the chance to wait on Tillman and Arrieta and Matusz.  Those are the guys we\&#039;re waiting on, combine them with Guthrie and one other veteran stabilizer and you\&#039;ve got your rotation...and we won\&#039;t be any good until we have a rotation.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d hold onto Sarfate&#8230;he was horrible, just awful as a starter, but he&#8217;s been useful in the pen.  Interesting thoughts that Cabrera, Baez, and Walker could be cut &#8211; I wonder how many games Walker has cost us this year with his awful pitching.  I also wonder what happened to him&#8230;maybe we just over used him last year?  He was excellent, and now he&#8217;s just really, really bad.  I guess that&#8217;s what happens when you take a LOOGY and make him your eighth inning guy (and sometimes closer)&#8230;I&#8217;d be on the lookout for the same thing to happen to Sherrill next year.</p>
<p>Hmm.  If I were in charge, I&#8217;d probably cut all three and say &#8220;Fuck it, these guys suck and can&#8217;t help us longterm or shortterm, let&#8217;s put in some major league minimum guys and win some games.&#8221;  But then I worry about Patton and Albers and the very strong possibility that they could give us nothing and both would retire because of injuries real soon.  They could Matt Albers from the first half of this year, or they could be Jaret Wright from last year.  Yuck.  But I&#8217;d still probably cut Walker and replace him with Mickolio or Cormier.</p>
<p>Bottom line, as I sit here thinking about this, is that a lot of this is shuffling the deck chairs.  We&#8217;re not going to be any good next year either.  The rotation is still going to be inexperienced, and we&#8217;re still going to have offensive holes at short and first at least.  If Roberts or Huff get traded, that&#8217;s our lead off guy and our clean up hitter gone.  </p>
<p>What next year is is the chance to wait on Tillman and Arrieta and Matusz.  Those are the guys we&#8217;re waiting on, combine them with Guthrie and one other veteran stabilizer and you&#8217;ve got your rotation&#8230;and we won&#8217;t be any good until we have a rotation.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24833','Andrew in Rochester'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24833','Andrew in Rochester','I\'d hold onto Sarfate...he was horrible, just awful as a starter, but he\'s been useful in the pen.  Interesting thoughts that Cabrera, Baez, and Walker could be cut - I wonder how many games Walker has cost us this year with his awful pitching.  I also wonder what happened to him...maybe we just over used him last year?  He was excellent, and now he\'s just really, really bad.  I guess that\'s what happens when you take a LOOGY and make him your eighth inning guy (and sometimes closer)...I\'d be on the lookout for the same thing to happen to Sherrill next year.\r\n\r\nHmm.  If I were in charge, I\'d probably cut all three and say \&quot;Fuck it, these guys suck and can\'t help us longterm or shortterm, let\'s put in some major league minimum guys and win some games.\&quot;  But then I worry about Patton and Albers and the very strong possibility that they could give us nothing and both would retire because of injuries real soon.  They could Matt Albers from the first half of this year, or they could be Jaret Wright from last year.  Yuck.  But I\'d still probably cut Walker and replace him with Mickolio or Cormier.\r\n\r\nBottom line, as I sit here thinking about this, is that a lot of this is shuffling the deck chairs.  We\'re not going to be any good next year either.  The rotation is still going to be inexperienced, and we\'re still going to have offensive holes at short and first at least.  If Roberts or Huff get traded, that\'s our lead off guy and our clean up hitter gone.  \r\n\r\nWhat next year is is the chance to wait on Tillman and Arrieta and Matusz.  Those are the guys we\'re waiting on, combine them with Guthrie and one other veteran stabilizer and you\'ve got your rotation...and we won\'t be any good until we have a rotation.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn. Forgot Albers and Patton. I would likely see this happening at Norfolk:

Bergesen, Berken, Hernandez, Albers, Patton to start. Albers and Patton are there strictly to rehab. Chances are, by the time they are back in the groove, one or two of Liz, Olson or Burres will have screwed up enough starts to option them to Norfolk. If Penn screws up; I have no idea what we could do. Put him on the DL maybe. Who could prove he wasn&#039;t hurt?

Waters and Mitchell moved into Norfolk pen. Leicester, Keisler, Knotts, Bukvich... whatever other AAAA pitcher we have no use for, cut them all. I hope I never see another AAAA starting pitcher in Norfolk again. I want nothing but MLB ready prospects simmering down there. I&#039;m serious MacPhail, don&#039;t make me come down there.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;24832&#039;,&#039;Greg&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;24832&#039;,&#039;Greg&#039;,&#039;Damn. Forgot Albers and Patton. I would likely see this happening at Norfolk:\r\n\r\nBergesen, Berken, Hernandez, Albers, Patton to start. Albers and Patton are there strictly to rehab. Chances are, by the time they are back in the groove, one or two of Liz, Olson or Burres will have screwed up enough starts to option them to Norfolk. If Penn screws up; I have no idea what we could do. Put him on the DL maybe. Who could prove he wasn\&#039;t hurt?\r\n\r\nWaters and Mitchell moved into Norfolk pen. Leicester, Keisler, Knotts, Bukvich... whatever other AAAA pitcher we have no use for, cut them all. I hope I never see another AAAA starting pitcher in Norfolk again. I want nothing but MLB ready prospects simmering down there. I\&#039;m serious MacPhail, don\&#039;t make me come down there.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn. Forgot Albers and Patton. I would likely see this happening at Norfolk:</p>
<p>Bergesen, Berken, Hernandez, Albers, Patton to start. Albers and Patton are there strictly to rehab. Chances are, by the time they are back in the groove, one or two of Liz, Olson or Burres will have screwed up enough starts to option them to Norfolk. If Penn screws up; I have no idea what we could do. Put him on the DL maybe. Who could prove he wasn&#8217;t hurt?</p>
<p>Waters and Mitchell moved into Norfolk pen. Leicester, Keisler, Knotts, Bukvich&#8230; whatever other AAAA pitcher we have no use for, cut them all. I hope I never see another AAAA starting pitcher in Norfolk again. I want nothing but MLB ready prospects simmering down there. I&#8217;m serious MacPhail, don&#8217;t make me come down there.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24832','Greg'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24832','Greg','Damn. Forgot Albers and Patton. I would likely see this happening at Norfolk:\r\n\r\nBergesen, Berken, Hernandez, Albers, Patton to start. Albers and Patton are there strictly to rehab. Chances are, by the time they are back in the groove, one or two of Liz, Olson or Burres will have screwed up enough starts to option them to Norfolk. If Penn screws up; I have no idea what we could do. Put him on the DL maybe. Who could prove he wasn\'t hurt?\r\n\r\nWaters and Mitchell moved into Norfolk pen. Leicester, Keisler, Knotts, Bukvich... whatever other AAAA pitcher we have no use for, cut them all. I hope I never see another AAAA starting pitcher in Norfolk again. I want nothing but MLB ready prospects simmering down there. I\'m serious MacPhail, don\'t make me come down there.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 25:
1B A. Huff
2B B. Roberts
3B M. Mora
SS B. Fahey
C R. Hernandez
LF L. Scott
CF A. Jones
RF N. Markakis
OF L. Montanez
OF N. Reimold
IF O. Salazar
IF J. Castro
C G. Quiroz
SP J. Guthrie
SP D. Cabrera
SP G. Olson
SP R. Liz
SP H. Penn
SP/RP B. Burres
RP D. Sarfate
RP R. Bierd
RP D. Baez
RP J. Johnson
RP C. Ray
RP G. Sherrill

Possibly see DCab nontendered, FA pitcher in his place (Garland? Burnett?)

Possibly see Ramon at 1B, Wieters at C, Quiroz released.

Possibly see Tex at 1B, but not likely. Dunn said winning is priority #1 for him. Could see FO resigning Millar instead (will slash wrists).

Possibly see Reimold and Montanez not making it out of ST.

Possibly see Roberts, Huff or Ramon traded.

I&#039;m counting on Walker being gone by next year.

Likely to see Liz, Burres, Penn and Olson moved to the bullpen or AAA, Bergesen, Hernandez and Berken moved from AAA into the rotation.

Hoping Sarfate is DFA&#039;d for Mickolio.

Wondering if Johnson will be great again.

Wondering if the FO dumps Baez before the season begins.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;24831&#039;,&#039;Greg&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;24831&#039;,&#039;Greg&#039;,&#039;My 25:\r\n1B A. Huff\r\n2B B. Roberts\r\n3B M. Mora\r\nSS B. Fahey\r\nC R. Hernandez\r\nLF L. Scott\r\nCF A. Jones\r\nRF N. Markakis\r\nOF L. Montanez\r\nOF N. Reimold\r\nIF O. Salazar\r\nIF J. Castro\r\nC G. Quiroz\r\nSP J. Guthrie\r\nSP D. Cabrera\r\nSP G. Olson\r\nSP R. Liz\r\nSP H. Penn\r\nSP\/RP B. Burres\r\nRP D. Sarfate\r\nRP R. Bierd\r\nRP D. Baez\r\nRP J. Johnson\r\nRP C. Ray\r\nRP G. Sherrill\r\n\r\nPossibly see DCab nontendered, FA pitcher in his place (Garland? Burnett?)\r\n\r\nPossibly see Ramon at 1B, Wieters at C, Quiroz released.\r\n\r\nPossibly see Tex at 1B, but not likely. Dunn said winning is priority #1 for him. Could see FO resigning Millar instead (will slash wrists).\r\n\r\nPossibly see Reimold and Montanez not making it out of ST.\r\n\r\nPossibly see Roberts, Huff or Ramon traded.\r\n\r\nI\&#039;m counting on Walker being gone by next year.\r\n\r\nLikely to see Liz, Burres, Penn and Olson moved to the bullpen or AAA, Bergesen, Hernandez and Berken moved from AAA into the rotation.\r\n\r\nHoping Sarfate is DFA\&#039;d for Mickolio.\r\n\r\nWondering if Johnson will be great again.\r\n\r\nWondering if the FO dumps Baez before the season begins.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 25:<br />
1B A. Huff<br />
2B B. Roberts<br />
3B M. Mora<br />
SS B. Fahey<br />
C R. Hernandez<br />
LF L. Scott<br />
CF A. Jones<br />
RF N. Markakis<br />
OF L. Montanez<br />
OF N. Reimold<br />
IF O. Salazar<br />
IF J. Castro<br />
C G. Quiroz<br />
SP J. Guthrie<br />
SP D. Cabrera<br />
SP G. Olson<br />
SP R. Liz<br />
SP H. Penn<br />
SP/RP B. Burres<br />
RP D. Sarfate<br />
RP R. Bierd<br />
RP D. Baez<br />
RP J. Johnson<br />
RP C. Ray<br />
RP G. Sherrill</p>
<p>Possibly see DCab nontendered, FA pitcher in his place (Garland? Burnett?)</p>
<p>Possibly see Ramon at 1B, Wieters at C, Quiroz released.</p>
<p>Possibly see Tex at 1B, but not likely. Dunn said winning is priority #1 for him. Could see FO resigning Millar instead (will slash wrists).</p>
<p>Possibly see Reimold and Montanez not making it out of ST.</p>
<p>Possibly see Roberts, Huff or Ramon traded.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m counting on Walker being gone by next year.</p>
<p>Likely to see Liz, Burres, Penn and Olson moved to the bullpen or AAA, Bergesen, Hernandez and Berken moved from AAA into the rotation.</p>
<p>Hoping Sarfate is DFA&#8217;d for Mickolio.</p>
<p>Wondering if Johnson will be great again.</p>
<p>Wondering if the FO dumps Baez before the season begins.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24831','Greg'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24831','Greg','My 25:\r\n1B A. Huff\r\n2B B. Roberts\r\n3B M. Mora\r\nSS B. Fahey\r\nC R. Hernandez\r\nLF L. Scott\r\nCF A. Jones\r\nRF N. Markakis\r\nOF L. Montanez\r\nOF N. Reimold\r\nIF O. Salazar\r\nIF J. Castro\r\nC G. Quiroz\r\nSP J. Guthrie\r\nSP D. Cabrera\r\nSP G. Olson\r\nSP R. Liz\r\nSP H. Penn\r\nSP\/RP B. Burres\r\nRP D. Sarfate\r\nRP R. Bierd\r\nRP D. Baez\r\nRP J. Johnson\r\nRP C. Ray\r\nRP G. Sherrill\r\n\r\nPossibly see DCab nontendered, FA pitcher in his place (Garland? Burnett?)\r\n\r\nPossibly see Ramon at 1B, Wieters at C, Quiroz released.\r\n\r\nPossibly see Tex at 1B, but not likely. Dunn said winning is priority #1 for him. Could see FO resigning Millar instead (will slash wrists).\r\n\r\nPossibly see Reimold and Montanez not making it out of ST.\r\n\r\nPossibly see Roberts, Huff or Ramon traded.\r\n\r\nI\'m counting on Walker being gone by next year.\r\n\r\nLikely to see Liz, Burres, Penn and Olson moved to the bullpen or AAA, Bergesen, Hernandez and Berken moved from AAA into the rotation.\r\n\r\nHoping Sarfate is DFA\'d for Mickolio.\r\n\r\nWondering if Johnson will be great again.\r\n\r\nWondering if the FO dumps Baez before the season begins.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Andrew in Rochester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew in Rochester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll comment on first base and pitching, since whether Roberts, etc. gets traded is really just guesswork right now, and yes, if anyone gets moved, it&#039;ll be for a bunch of talent ala Tejada (more than Bedard, I imagine).

I really can&#039;t stand the idea that we&#039;re relying on Kevin Millar to stop gap at first base for yet another year (next year would be 4 years...he&#039;ll be in the running for longest tenured Oriole soon enough - and everybody knows he would rather be a Boston first baseman)...but I honestly don&#039;t know what you do there besides him.

Options:

Mark Teixeria
Kevin Millar
Oscar Salazar
Aubrey Huff
Trade
Luke Scott
Nolan Reimold
Javy Lopez (I kid, I kid)
some other scrub like Mientkiewicz or Casey or Hinske or blah blah

Ouch.  We&#039;re probably going to see Reimold go to Norfolk unless he tears it up in Spring Training, but at that point we probably already have a first base plan, and I don&#039;t see Scott moving.  Personally, I don&#039;t see why we don&#039;t give the job to Salazar over Millar if for no other reason than to save the dough and give it to Markakis.  But yeah, Kevin Millar and his clubhouse personality and mostly soft bat (seriously, a 94 OPS+ isn&#039;t going to cut it from first base in any league) will probably come back for one last ride into the sunset.

Not a lot of options in the pitching department.  Guthrie&#039;ll be back we know for sure.  Nobody actually knows the gameplan in the Warehosue, but we all agree that at least one veteran guy needs to show up via free agency or trade somehow.  Word&#039;s been coming down that Trembley&#039;s been thinking about Liz and Olson and whether they&#039;re starters or relievers.  Personally I see progress out of both of them, but Liz has long been thought of by smarter people than I as a reliever and Olson feels to me (in my gut) like a guy who can put it all together sooner rather than later.

I don&#039;t see Cabrera getting cut (even though he&#039;s almost definitely run his welcome out), I don&#039;t see Tillman or Hernandez or Bergesen advancing past Norfolk next year (Tillman still can&#039;t buy a Boh and the other two will be around but not at the beginning of the year), so that leaves us with all of our favorite scrubs, which you all know about.

I guess it comes down to a few things:  How healthy are Matt Albers and Troy Patton?  How effective are they?  Can Jim Johnson reconvert to a starter?  Are we getting anything out of Brian Bass?  Do we sign one, two, or no free agent pitchers?  What about Hayden Penn?

I would definitely pen in Guthrie, Olson, and Cabrera for better or worse into the rotation.  Answer those questions and you&#039;ll have a pretty good idea of the rotation and the bullpen.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;24830&#039;,&#039;Andrew in Rochester&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;24830&#039;,&#039;Andrew in Rochester&#039;,&#039;I\&#039;ll comment on first base and pitching, since whether Roberts, etc. gets traded is really just guesswork right now, and yes, if anyone gets moved, it\&#039;ll be for a bunch of talent ala Tejada (more than Bedard, I imagine).\r\n\r\nI really can\&#039;t stand the idea that we\&#039;re relying on Kevin Millar to stop gap at first base for yet another year (next year would be 4 years...he\&#039;ll be in the running for longest tenured Oriole soon enough - and everybody knows he would rather be a Boston first baseman)...but I honestly don\&#039;t know what you do there besides him.\r\n\r\nOptions:\r\n\r\nMark Teixeria\r\nKevin Millar\r\nOscar Salazar\r\nAubrey Huff\r\nTrade\r\nLuke Scott\r\nNolan Reimold\r\nJavy Lopez (I kid, I kid)\r\nsome other scrub like Mientkiewicz or Casey or Hinske or blah blah\r\n\r\nOuch.  We\&#039;re probably going to see Reimold go to Norfolk unless he tears it up in Spring Training, but at that point we probably already have a first base plan, and I don\&#039;t see Scott moving.  Personally, I don\&#039;t see why we don\&#039;t give the job to Salazar over Millar if for no other reason than to save the dough and give it to Markakis.  But yeah, Kevin Millar and his clubhouse personality and mostly soft bat (seriously, a 94 OPS+ isn\&#039;t going to cut it from first base in any league) will probably come back for one last ride into the sunset.\r\n\r\nNot a lot of options in the pitching department.  Guthrie\&#039;ll be back we know for sure.  Nobody actually knows the gameplan in the Warehosue, but we all agree that at least one veteran guy needs to show up via free agency or trade somehow.  Word\&#039;s been coming down that Trembley\&#039;s been thinking about Liz and Olson and whether they\&#039;re starters or relievers.  Personally I see progress out of both of them, but Liz has long been thought of by smarter people than I as a reliever and Olson feels to me (in my gut) like a guy who can put it all together sooner rather than later.\r\n\r\nI don\&#039;t see Cabrera getting cut (even though he\&#039;s almost definitely run his welcome out), I don\&#039;t see Tillman or Hernandez or Bergesen advancing past Norfolk next year (Tillman still can\&#039;t buy a Boh and the other two will be around but not at the beginning of the year), so that leaves us with all of our favorite scrubs, which you all know about.\r\n\r\nI guess it comes down to a few things:  How healthy are Matt Albers and Troy Patton?  How effective are they?  Can Jim Johnson reconvert to a starter?  Are we getting anything out of Brian Bass?  Do we sign one, two, or no free agent pitchers?  What about Hayden Penn?\r\n\r\nI would definitely pen in Guthrie, Olson, and Cabrera for better or worse into the rotation.  Answer those questions and you\&#039;ll have a pretty good idea of the rotation and the bullpen.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll comment on first base and pitching, since whether Roberts, etc. gets traded is really just guesswork right now, and yes, if anyone gets moved, it&#8217;ll be for a bunch of talent ala Tejada (more than Bedard, I imagine).</p>
<p>I really can&#8217;t stand the idea that we&#8217;re relying on Kevin Millar to stop gap at first base for yet another year (next year would be 4 years&#8230;he&#8217;ll be in the running for longest tenured Oriole soon enough &#8211; and everybody knows he would rather be a Boston first baseman)&#8230;but I honestly don&#8217;t know what you do there besides him.</p>
<p>Options:</p>
<p>Mark Teixeria<br />
Kevin Millar<br />
Oscar Salazar<br />
Aubrey Huff<br />
Trade<br />
Luke Scott<br />
Nolan Reimold<br />
Javy Lopez (I kid, I kid)<br />
some other scrub like Mientkiewicz or Casey or Hinske or blah blah</p>
<p>Ouch.  We&#8217;re probably going to see Reimold go to Norfolk unless he tears it up in Spring Training, but at that point we probably already have a first base plan, and I don&#8217;t see Scott moving.  Personally, I don&#8217;t see why we don&#8217;t give the job to Salazar over Millar if for no other reason than to save the dough and give it to Markakis.  But yeah, Kevin Millar and his clubhouse personality and mostly soft bat (seriously, a 94 OPS+ isn&#8217;t going to cut it from first base in any league) will probably come back for one last ride into the sunset.</p>
<p>Not a lot of options in the pitching department.  Guthrie&#8217;ll be back we know for sure.  Nobody actually knows the gameplan in the Warehosue, but we all agree that at least one veteran guy needs to show up via free agency or trade somehow.  Word&#8217;s been coming down that Trembley&#8217;s been thinking about Liz and Olson and whether they&#8217;re starters or relievers.  Personally I see progress out of both of them, but Liz has long been thought of by smarter people than I as a reliever and Olson feels to me (in my gut) like a guy who can put it all together sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see Cabrera getting cut (even though he&#8217;s almost definitely run his welcome out), I don&#8217;t see Tillman or Hernandez or Bergesen advancing past Norfolk next year (Tillman still can&#8217;t buy a Boh and the other two will be around but not at the beginning of the year), so that leaves us with all of our favorite scrubs, which you all know about.</p>
<p>I guess it comes down to a few things:  How healthy are Matt Albers and Troy Patton?  How effective are they?  Can Jim Johnson reconvert to a starter?  Are we getting anything out of Brian Bass?  Do we sign one, two, or no free agent pitchers?  What about Hayden Penn?</p>
<p>I would definitely pen in Guthrie, Olson, and Cabrera for better or worse into the rotation.  Answer those questions and you&#8217;ll have a pretty good idea of the rotation and the bullpen.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24830','Andrew in Rochester'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24830','Andrew in Rochester','I\'ll comment on first base and pitching, since whether Roberts, etc. gets traded is really just guesswork right now, and yes, if anyone gets moved, it\'ll be for a bunch of talent ala Tejada (more than Bedard, I imagine).\r\n\r\nI really can\'t stand the idea that we\'re relying on Kevin Millar to stop gap at first base for yet another year (next year would be 4 years...he\'ll be in the running for longest tenured Oriole soon enough - and everybody knows he would rather be a Boston first baseman)...but I honestly don\'t know what you do there besides him.\r\n\r\nOptions:\r\n\r\nMark Teixeria\r\nKevin Millar\r\nOscar Salazar\r\nAubrey Huff\r\nTrade\r\nLuke Scott\r\nNolan Reimold\r\nJavy Lopez (I kid, I kid)\r\nsome other scrub like Mientkiewicz or Casey or Hinske or blah blah\r\n\r\nOuch.  We\'re probably going to see Reimold go to Norfolk unless he tears it up in Spring Training, but at that point we probably already have a first base plan, and I don\'t see Scott moving.  Personally, I don\'t see why we don\'t give the job to Salazar over Millar if for no other reason than to save the dough and give it to Markakis.  But yeah, Kevin Millar and his clubhouse personality and mostly soft bat (seriously, a 94 OPS+ isn\'t going to cut it from first base in any league) will probably come back for one last ride into the sunset.\r\n\r\nNot a lot of options in the pitching department.  Guthrie\'ll be back we know for sure.  Nobody actually knows the gameplan in the Warehosue, but we all agree that at least one veteran guy needs to show up via free agency or trade somehow.  Word\'s been coming down that Trembley\'s been thinking about Liz and Olson and whether they\'re starters or relievers.  Personally I see progress out of both of them, but Liz has long been thought of by smarter people than I as a reliever and Olson feels to me (in my gut) like a guy who can put it all together sooner rather than later.\r\n\r\nI don\'t see Cabrera getting cut (even though he\'s almost definitely run his welcome out), I don\'t see Tillman or Hernandez or Bergesen advancing past Norfolk next year (Tillman still can\'t buy a Boh and the other two will be around but not at the beginning of the year), so that leaves us with all of our favorite scrubs, which you all know about.\r\n\r\nI guess it comes down to a few things:  How healthy are Matt Albers and Troy Patton?  How effective are they?  Can Jim Johnson reconvert to a starter?  Are we getting anything out of Brian Bass?  Do we sign one, two, or no free agent pitchers?  What about Hayden Penn?\r\n\r\nI would definitely pen in Guthrie, Olson, and Cabrera for better or worse into the rotation.  Answer those questions and you\'ll have a pretty good idea of the rotation and the bullpen.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: neal s</title>
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		<description>I like the idea of Guthrie plus Joe Veteran I and possibly Joe Veteran II, then an open competition for the remaining spots. It might just be the best thing not only for the kids but for the team. Make them spend the month of March (and, really, the whole winter) proving that they are ready to get the keys. That could be a lot of fun to watch, actually.

SS is a huge problem no matter how you look at it. We have &lt;i&gt;nobody&lt;/i&gt; in the minors (no offense, Blake Davis) and the free agent pool is thin as hell. Somebody suggested a trade for Khalil Greene, and I kind of like that idea. He has a lot of talent, as I remember, but has scuffled lately. Could be a classic &quot;change of scenery&quot; guy. The only problem there is, what will it take to get him?

Teixeira isn&#039;t coming here -- I&#039;m more and more resigned to that fact. It would be a great story but he&#039;s probably not worth what he&#039;ll get, and Andy knows that. Huff/Millar will serve us fine there -- it&#039;s not like they create a liability.

Wieters &lt;i&gt;for sure&lt;/i&gt; next year. And if not him, I&#039;m not so sure I&#039;m comfortable with Ramon on any level anymore. He, likewise, could use a change of scenery.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;24829&#039;,&#039;neal s&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;24829&#039;,&#039;neal s&#039;,&#039;I like the idea of Guthrie plus Joe Veteran I and possibly Joe Veteran II, then an open competition for the remaining spots. It might just be the best thing not only for the kids but for the team. Make them spend the month of March (and, really, the whole winter) proving that they are ready to get the keys. That could be a lot of fun to watch, actually.\r\n\r\nSS is a huge problem no matter how you look at it. We have &lt;i&gt;nobody&lt;\/i&gt; in the minors (no offense, Blake Davis) and the free agent pool is thin as hell. Somebody suggested a trade for Khalil Greene, and I kind of like that idea. He has a lot of talent, as I remember, but has scuffled lately. Could be a classic \&quot;change of scenery\&quot; guy. The only problem there is, what will it take to get him?\r\n\r\nTeixeira isn\&#039;t coming here -- I\&#039;m more and more resigned to that fact. It would be a great story but he\&#039;s probably not worth what he\&#039;ll get, and Andy knows that. Huff\/Millar will serve us fine there -- it\&#039;s not like they create a liability.\r\n\r\nWieters &lt;i&gt;for sure&lt;\/i&gt; next year. And if not him, I\&#039;m not so sure I\&#039;m comfortable with Ramon on any level anymore. He, likewise, could use a change of scenery.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of Guthrie plus Joe Veteran I and possibly Joe Veteran II, then an open competition for the remaining spots. It might just be the best thing not only for the kids but for the team. Make them spend the month of March (and, really, the whole winter) proving that they are ready to get the keys. That could be a lot of fun to watch, actually.</p>
<p>SS is a huge problem no matter how you look at it. We have <i>nobody</i> in the minors (no offense, Blake Davis) and the free agent pool is thin as hell. Somebody suggested a trade for Khalil Greene, and I kind of like that idea. He has a lot of talent, as I remember, but has scuffled lately. Could be a classic &#8220;change of scenery&#8221; guy. The only problem there is, what will it take to get him?</p>
<p>Teixeira isn&#8217;t coming here &#8212; I&#8217;m more and more resigned to that fact. It would be a great story but he&#8217;s probably not worth what he&#8217;ll get, and Andy knows that. Huff/Millar will serve us fine there &#8212; it&#8217;s not like they create a liability.</p>
<p>Wieters <i>for sure</i> next year. And if not him, I&#8217;m not so sure I&#8217;m comfortable with Ramon on any level anymore. He, likewise, could use a change of scenery.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24829','neal s'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24829','neal s','I like the idea of Guthrie plus Joe Veteran I and possibly Joe Veteran II, then an open competition for the remaining spots. It might just be the best thing not only for the kids but for the team. Make them spend the month of March (and, really, the whole winter) proving that they are ready to get the keys. That could be a lot of fun to watch, actually.\r\n\r\nSS is a huge problem no matter how you look at it. We have &lt;i&gt;nobody&lt;\/i&gt; in the minors (no offense, Blake Davis) and the free agent pool is thin as hell. Somebody suggested a trade for Khalil Greene, and I kind of like that idea. He has a lot of talent, as I remember, but has scuffled lately. Could be a classic \&quot;change of scenery\&quot; guy. The only problem there is, what will it take to get him?\r\n\r\nTeixeira isn\'t coming here -- I\'m more and more resigned to that fact. It would be a great story but he\'s probably not worth what he\'ll get, and Andy knows that. Huff\/Millar will serve us fine there -- it\'s not like they create a liability.\r\n\r\nWieters &lt;i&gt;for sure&lt;\/i&gt; next year. And if not him, I\'m not so sure I\'m comfortable with Ramon on any level anymore. He, likewise, could use a change of scenery.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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