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Orioles, Cubs in Talks for Hill

Bethlehem Steel FC t shirtAccording to a report tonight from the Sun, the idea we bandied about in the comments appears legit: the O’s and Cubs are in talks that could bring Rich Hill to Baltimore.

The best part of this is that all we’re talking about is a “player to be named” in return, contingent on Hill’s performance. If Hill blows up, go ahead and send Bergesen or someone similar in return. If he doesn’t, send a C-level guy we’d never miss anyway. Is there a downside to this? I can’t see one.

This could be the move I hinted at. It certainly fits in with what I heard, and it also fits in with The Plan. It’d be another high-value, high-upside, low-risk move of the type that has come to typify the nascent MacPhail regime.

Guthrie, Uehara, Hill, and a whole stack of guys competing for the last two spots? That’ll work.

On a separate note, you all probably noticed that the Diamondbacks scored Jon Garland for a song. Here’s my take on why the O’s weren’t involved:

I think it comes down to two things. First, an unwillingness to give up draft pick compensation. Second, Garland probably took the one-year deal at a lower salary as a gamble that he’ll have a great year and be in position to cash in next year. You can bet the length of the deal was not an idea that came from the Arizona camp.

In other words, Garland wasn’t a good fit. I wanted him as much as anyone else, but not as a rental.

Changing gears, how awesome is that t-shirt? You can score one for yourself here. It’s part of a series, and pretty much all of them are awesome. Yes.

36 comments to Orioles, Cubs in Talks for Hill

  • Thanks for the shout out! Much appreciated…

    dunny

  • neal s

    Hey, man, thanks for checking in! Look for an order from me soon when I have a bit more extra scratch. Nice work.

    Also forgot to mention that I originally found the link via Uni Watch.

  • Tomás

    This is a great day for Os news…

    Millar officially OUT!!!

    What a crybaby too…so much for “clubhouse atmosphere guy”

    “Yeah, the bottom line is, obviously, they want to go in a different direction. Now, what that means, I don’t know. Are they going to win games this year? No. Obviously we know that going in. You’ve got to be realistic.”

    Sounds more like Tejada. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  • dan the man

    I like Millar, but what’s up with him getting his panties in a bunch AND saying “I’m a one year contract guy”? I mean, you’re a one-year contract guy for a reason, right? So that the club can decide to move on when they choose, which they have. And also last year saying “we’re going to win the world series!” and now being like “are they going to win? no.” Bah. Come on, Kevbo, don’t go out like that. Bottom line is there is no room on the bench for the guy. If they go with 4 bench players, then maybe, but when they need to go to 3 when the pitching starts to implode, you can’t really send down Freel, Gomez, your backup catcher, or Millar to AAA. You need a guy in there that you can shuttle back and forth if need be.

    Anyway… fuck it. Kevin Millar was fun, but he’s 37 and plays one position.

  • rick

    Hill represents too much of a health/mental risk, e.g., serious control problems that likely stem from the kind of mental blocks that can cause a 2d baseman to be unable to make the throw to first.

    Hope we sign Looper instead.

    Loved Millar, and had hoped he’d return in a utililty role; think he still has value. It’s got to be tough to swallow that the end is near for something you truly love, and that’s what he’s up against.

  • sci

    Taking on Hill is no risk if we’re doing a player to be named later deal. Zero. If he doesn’t perform he’ll be placed on waivers. In that case, we’ll probably just owe the Cubs some cash. He’s got talent and Kranitz knows him, so it’s worth picking him up no question. Let’s just not make him another Cabrera, hanging on and hoping fruitlessly that he’ll put it all together. That’s all I’m worried about.

    And we could easily sign Looper as well as getting Hill. There’s nothing that says we can’t/won’t. I still don’t like the idea of a Looper signing (for the same reason I didn’t like the second Trax signing), but I wouldn’t be too upset if they pick him up.

  • sci

    Oh, and while I liked Millar to some extent, his rep as a great clubhouse influence is way overrated. He invariably complained if his playing time went down (he never seemed to understand that if you slump and you’re not a front-line player, your playing time usually decreases), and now look how he’s going out. Good riddance.

  • Greg

    Didn’t Hill rank third in NL strikeouts in 2007? He had a down year in Chicago– a club notorious for ruining players– and it was only ONE YEAR. They tried to tweak his mechanics to get him quicker to the plate. What a disaster that turned out to be. If he comes back to Kranny, he might be fixable and it could all be done for cheap. Low cost, high reward; book it, done.

  • ryan97ou

    sad to hear about millar. always liked that guy, and his videos on the jumbo-tron were always good for some laughs.

    i find this quite from macphail interesting: “”We are talking to them,” Orioles president Andy MacPhail said about the Cubs. “We are talking to a lot of teams about a lot of players.”"

  • Sure this isn’t Millar “gunning” his way out of town, but this is like he was out the door and gone but realized how much that sucks, so he came back in and fired one shot blindly into the crowd before limping off into the sunset.

    Way to tarnish your non-legacy of Complacent Mediocrity.

    Let’s count the minutes until he signs on as an analyst for one of the red sox media tentacles.

    I’m down with either Hill for a PTBNL or Looper.

  • dan the man

    There’s a rumor in OH that the O’s are trying to clear roster space via trades. Names that have come up, according to one of their “insiders” (grain of salt) are Burres, Simon, Sarfate, Freel, Baez, and Walker. Only name I have a problem with is Sarfate. He really turned it on after he was able to get a better feel for stuff in the starting rotation. When he went back to relieving, he was great. Too big of an arm to give up on, I think, especially when he had a relatively successful year, all things considered.

    But if there’s any truth to this rumor, it’s good to know that Andy is looking to make more deals, and it supports that quote that ryan97 pointed out.

  • dan the man

    Also, the Cubs may be waiting to make the Hill trade official until Andy can clear the space on the 40-man for him, possibly via trade.

    Plenty of interesting story lines to follow already. Spring Training is right around the corner, gentlemen!

  • Andrew in Rochester

    Dan: I can’t believe you’re still floating OH rumors like they’re gospel. When’s the last time they had a scoop on anything that was true?

    As for Millar, I thought it was a damn shame to see him take some potshots at the organization like that. In total, I think it’s absolutely a good thing that he won’t be back in a ton of ways, but I guess I enjoyed him more than I hated him while he was here. We’ll always have Blonde Millar time and his many, many clutch moments against the Yankees. I’ll just have to ignore the Red Sox feliating and this last word from him. Hope he plays well for the Mariners or the Pirates or whoever.

    I’m assuming the Hill thing happens, because when even Andy is talking about it, it’s almost done. It’s a potentially great pickup, of course, but the pitching staff is going to have some hard decisions to make with all the out of option players around who weren’t here last year (Penn, Hill, and Pauley).

    I am READY for spring training. Bring on the competition.

  • neal s

    To be fair, that Deadspin link only tells one side of the story. I’m sure Nestor’s got his own view of what went down and it’s probably just as valid.

    But whatever. That stupid feud is out of control. I remember it from last year, and from what I gather it’s been going on for some time. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

  • Andrew in Rochester

    Wait, Nestor doesn’t hold a long standing grudge. That’s not the kind of person he is at all. He’s not short tempered at all. Why would this happen? How could anybody anywhere not want this man to be included in the media events of anything? He’s usually the bigger man when it comes to things and I just don’t understand this at all.

    /Hysterical

  • Don’t get me wrong, those Dallas guys are clearly a bunch of douchelords, but c’mon — Nestor’s a member of the professional media — or so he says — and a representative of the city. It’s shameful is what it is, even if it is just idiots jockeying for publicity.

  • neal s

    I’m the last person that’s going to apologize for Nestor, but I don’t think the whole story is out. That video seems to start after some stuff had already gone down, and we can’t actually see anything. After that, all we’ve gotten is the Dallas side of the story. Plus I know those guys called Nestor an anti-Semite last year, and that’s way, way out of bounds.

    My hunch is that both sides are probably in the wrong here. The whole thing is as sad as it is stupid,.

  • Big Ben's Motorcycle

    say whatever you want about nestor – i might agree with a lot of it. but how anyone could side with that smug-acting fuck-face in that video is beyond me.

    also i have zero knowledge of the backstory but i watched a minute of that youtube clip and it was enough for me to wish more severe bodily harm on him.

    p.s. gordon whatever your name is: kenny loggins called – he wants his unicorn porn fantasy romance novel leading she-man look back.

  • Andrew in Rochester

    The shame of it is that I generally agree with a lot of the things Nestor has to say and more often than not I feel like he’s the only guy in the room with any sanity…but how am I supposed to take him seriously now? Regardless of what happened, his reaction is inexcusable. And that’s the real shame, and I will say no more about it.

    Instead let’s talk about Luke Scott’s awesome Rocky 4 training program. I didn’t even know people still chopped down tree mano e treeo. Amaaaaaazing.

  • Big Ben's Motorcycle

    well whoever that nfl official was seemed to think the guy had it coming. i’m just tired of people that cause drama to make names for themselves (messageboards/blogs excluded of course).

    grow some talent jackass.

    also when i think about it the only people that generally hate on nestor are carpetbaggers.

  • dan the man

    @Andrew in Rochester – DUDE. Every time I mention an OH rumor, you burn me, yet every time I mention it I always say “take it with a grain of salt”. I’m not preaching it like it’s gospel and I never have. I’m well aware that it’s a rumor and nothing more. I do think it provides some interesting things to think about, though.

    And BBM, I’m sorry dude, you can call me a carpetmuncher all you want, but Nestor is a straight up class A Douche Bag and he’s ruining Baltimore sports radio with every day that he’s on the air. I am a bonafied Nestor Hater because there are no obvious reasons for me NOT to be. He’s a shock jock and a bad one at that.

  • dan the man

    Although, yeah, jesus christ that Gordon Keith is also a douche bag.

  • Andrew in Rochester

    @dan the man – Ok, I’m sorry…I just can’t stand the OH and refuse to believe anything that originates with them. Is it interesting to think about? Yeah, because someone does have to come off the 40 man to make room for Hill. But here’s my issue with this particular note:

    It won’t be Freel, Baez, or Sarfate because Baez is untradable and the other two are too valuable to us (I would imagine) to part with. I doubt Walker has much value to anyone, either, after a shitty 2008 and a big salary still coming. Which leaves Burres and Simon, so any potential trade isn’t going to be a big deal.

  • dan the man

    That’s true and they could just try and pass Burres and/or Simon through waivers and assign them to AAA.

    I get not being able to stand OH. Most times I’m the same way, they tend to freak out about nothing and they start a lot of rumors, but some of them have been legit believe it or not. It looks like OH is on the outs though, ever since Tony Pente said he’s going to stop running the “content” after another year, which includes all the minor league info and scouting and stuff – everything but the message board, basically.

  • dan the man

    I’m getting more and more worried about this Luke Scott DH thing. Not only because he said he wasn’t thrilled about it, but because if he struggles in that role (and he has in the past) while he’s already not thrilled about it, then what? It could become a problem. People are saying that he might get some looks at 1B in the Spring, but that’s taking away from Luke’s strong position, which is LF. And he wasn’t a bad left fielder by any stretch – in fact, he made some very nice plays diving for balls, etc.

    Freel is the guy that really screws the thing up, not that I don’t like him on the team because he’ll be fun to watch. But because we apparently need a right handed bat to go with Pie in LF, Scott becomes the odd man out. I’m waiting for my next drum student and bored and rambling. The end.

  • Andrew in Rochester

    Looks like an ideal chance for us to step up…?

  • dan the man

    Also, I agree about Scott’s Rocky IV workout routine. Shoots guns and chops wood in the snow. Freaking sweet.

    originally posted byAndrew in RochesterLooks like an ideal chance for us to step up…?

    Well the message board will still be there, and that community of folks wouldn’t think of going anywhere else. It’s kind of a shame that the content portion is going down because that was the cool part. Lots of good minor league info there and scouting and such.

  • Greg

    @dan the man – Freel is not the one screwing Luke Scott for playing time. It’s Pie. Luke Scott WAS the left fielder, and now Pie IS the left fielder. Luke Scott is 7 years too old for this team and as a result is being moved into a smaller role. This is the way the Orioles have been going about their business since MacPhail took over.

    They need to trade Scott as soon as possible.

  • neal s

    Sorry I’ve been absent, folks — I’m giving a presentation on Thursday and my slides are due tomorrow. New post coming tomorrow…great discussion, by the way.

  • Andrew in Rochester

    Woke up this morning, 2 damn weeks out from Spring Training, and I pondered briefly how little we know about this season.

    Things we don’t know:

    How well is Koji Uehara going to pitch? How well is he going to like it in Baltimore? How is he going to affect future Japanese investments? How long until Matt Wieters forces his way up to Baltimore? How are (and where are) David Pauley, Brad Hennessey, Rich Hill (maybe), and Hayden Penn going to pitch? How is Felix Pie going to play? How long do we give him to figure it out? How will Huff do everyday at first? Will Brian Roberts be here in September? Will he be here after that? How do Matt Albers and Troy Patton recover from torn labrums? How much improvement do Tillman, Matusz, Arrieta, and Erbe show? Will we ever hear from Reimold and Rowell? Or Snyder? What does Adam Jones do this year after a fantastic first full year? Do we see improvement in Radhames Liz?

    Many important, important questions that will ultimately define the year for the Orioles.

  • Andrew in Rochester

    Oh yeah, and the Steelers are going to beat the Cardinals, but it’ll be a good game: 24-17 or so.

  • dan the man

    originally posted byAndrew in RochesterWoke up this morning, 2 damn weeks out from Spring Training, and I pondered briefly how little we know about this season.

    Things we don’t know:

    How well is Koji Uehara going to pitch? How well is he going to like it in Baltimore? How is he going to affect future Japanese investments? How long until Matt Wieters forces his way up to Baltimore? How are (and where are) David Pauley, Brad Hennessey, Rich Hill (maybe), and Hayden Penn going to pitch? How is Felix Pie going to play? How long do we give him to figure it out? How will Huff do everyday at first? Will Brian Roberts be here in September? Will he be here after that? How do Matt Albers and Troy Patton recover from torn labrums? How much improvement do Tillman, Matusz, Arrieta, and Erbe show? Will we ever hear from Reimold and Rowell? Or Snyder? What does Adam Jones do this year after a fantastic first full year? Do we see improvement in Radhames Liz?

    Many important, important questions that will ultimately define the year for the Orioles.

    Exciting isn’t it?? Excellent run-down of the issues and story lines to be following this season. A few questions I might add, although they are admittedly less exciting:

    -Does Melvin Mora continue his renaissance or will he regress to his ’07 self (or his first-half of ’08 self)?
    -What’s the future answer at 3B, anyway?
    -Is Jamie Walker toast or was he just nagged by injuries last year?
    -How will Scott perform as a DH? Will he be traded? (I agree with Greg that he might just need to be shipped out what with Pie, Reimold, Montanez, etc.)
    -Chris Ray/George Sherrill?
    -And finally, DT! How does he adjust, if at all, to a second full year as Manager, and will he impress us just as much with his organization, efficiency, and way with words?

  • Andrew in Rochester

    @dan the man – Yeah, there’s a lot of other questions…I could probably think up 30 or so in total. So I guess I don’t know what to expect from the Orioles in 2009 (kind of).

    Rich Hill is ours – so throw him onto the pile of pitchers we don’t know what to expect from. Although his reteaming with Kranitz probably gives him the highest probability of re-succeeding, doesn’t it?

    So, my projected rotation looks like: Guthrie-Uehara-Pauley-Hill-Hennessey (in no order). Liz to Norfolk, Penn to the ‘pen, Patton to Norfolk or Bowie, Albers either to Norfolk or the ‘pen. Of course, if Hill, Pauley, or Hennessey suck in Spring Training, things change. I don’t know what to do with Chris Waters, for one thing.

  • dan the man

    Don’t forget Hendrickson. It’s a clusterfuck of pitchers to be sure. I’m pumped.