Comments on: Orioles In the News, At the Angels http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2009/orioles-in-the-news-at-the-angels/ Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:16:49 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Andrew http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2009/orioles-in-the-news-at-the-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-30542 Andrew Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:55:52 +0000 http://www.thelosscolumn.com/?p=4201#comment-30542 There's a good summary of Brad Bergesen's career and a good comparison to the underrated Nick Blackburn over on John Sickels' blog. He has the very smart, well-rounded approach basically saying Bergesen is good and should stick around for a while, but is he this good? <blockquote>I still believe that both pitchers have to prove they can succeed consistently; their strikeout rates still concern me as a long-term indicator.</blockquote> This comes after Fangraphs - quickly becoming THE place to read good baseball analysis - talked about how impressive Bergesen's sinker is and that he should be a great back-end starter for a long while. Worth mentioning: Bergesen's .269 BABiP is pretty lucky, though his FIP is only half a run worse than his ERA.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('30542','Andrew'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('30542','Andrew','There\'s a good summary of Brad Bergesen\'s career and a good comparison to the underrated Nick Blackburn over on John Sickels\' blog. He has the very smart, well-rounded approach basically saying Bergesen is good and should stick around for a while, but is he this good?\r\n\r\n<blockquote>I still believe that both pitchers have to prove they can succeed consistently; their strikeout rates still concern me as a long-term indicator.<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\nThis comes after Fangraphs - quickly becoming THE place to read good baseball analysis - talked about how impressive Bergesen\'s sinker is and that he should be a great back-end starter for a long while.\r\n\r\nWorth mentioning: Bergesen\'s .269 BABiP is pretty lucky, though his FIP is only half a run worse than his ERA.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> There’s a good summary of Brad Bergesen’s career and a good comparison to the underrated Nick Blackburn over on John Sickels’ blog. He has the very smart, well-rounded approach basically saying Bergesen is good and should stick around for a while, but is he this good?

I still believe that both pitchers have to prove they can succeed consistently; their strikeout rates still concern me as a long-term indicator.

This comes after Fangraphs – quickly becoming THE place to read good baseball analysis – talked about how impressive Bergesen’s sinker is and that he should be a great back-end starter for a long while.

Worth mentioning: Bergesen’s .269 BABiP is pretty lucky, though his FIP is only half a run worse than his ERA.

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]]> By: Tomás http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2009/orioles-in-the-news-at-the-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-30541 Tomás Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:13:55 +0000 http://www.thelosscolumn.com/?p=4201#comment-30541 <a href='#comment-30526' rel="nofollow">@neal s</a> - Nice piece all around. I think there are other factors at play, like the modern fallacy that ANYONE can be completely objective and that yellow journalism at the last turn of the century was some sort of anomaly instead of the standard, but you're right in that a good chunk of it's that modern papers fail to realize that individuals retain credibility far better than institutions. Did you (or anyone else for that matter) catch <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=230076&title=end-times" rel="nofollow">The Daily Show segment</a> on June 10th where for reasons unknown The New York Times let Jason Jones in to do a segment? It's as funny as it is devastatingly scathing.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('30541','Tomás'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('30541','Tomás','<a href=\'#comment-30526\' rel=\"nofollow\">@neal s<\/a> - Nice piece all around. I think there are other factors at play, like the modern fallacy that ANYONE can be completely objective and that yellow journalism at the last turn of the century was some sort of anomaly instead of the standard, but you\'re right in that a good chunk of it\'s that modern papers fail to realize that individuals retain credibility far better than institutions. \r\n\r\nDid you (or anyone else for that matter) catch <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedailyshow.com\/video\/index.jhtml?videoId=230076&title=end-times\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Daily Show segment<\/a> on June 10th where for reasons unknown The New York Times let Jason Jones in to do a segment? It\'s as funny as it is devastatingly scathing.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @neal s – Nice piece all around. I think there are other factors at play, like the modern fallacy that ANYONE can be completely objective and that yellow journalism at the last turn of the century was some sort of anomaly instead of the standard, but you’re right in that a good chunk of it’s that modern papers fail to realize that individuals retain credibility far better than institutions.

Did you (or anyone else for that matter) catch The Daily Show segment on June 10th where for reasons unknown The New York Times let Jason Jones in to do a segment? It’s as funny as it is devastatingly scathing.

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]]> By: Andrew http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2009/orioles-in-the-news-at-the-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-30540 Andrew Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:34:07 +0000 http://www.thelosscolumn.com/?p=4201#comment-30540 <a href='#comment-30539' rel="nofollow">@Kevin</a> - Does it matter if Angelos cares or not? Okay, that's a dumb question, but let me put it better: Does it matter where his priorities are so long as he's put smart people in charge and is devoting his financial resources to the cause? Let's face it, the ideal owner is the one who does only two things: he's puts the best possible people in charge of each branch of the organization, and he gives them ample funding to accomplish whatever they want. Anything after that is either meddling or being a loudmouth douchebag (we'll call it Steinbrenner-Henry Syndrome). Anything less than that is being a horrible owner (Jeff Loria, anyone?).<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('30540','Andrew'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('30540','Andrew','<a href=\'#comment-30539\' rel=\"nofollow\">@Kevin<\/a> - Does it matter if Angelos cares or not?\r\n\r\nOkay, that\'s a dumb question, but let me put it better: Does it matter where his priorities are so long as he\'s put smart people in charge and is devoting his financial resources to the cause?\r\n\r\nLet\'s face it, the ideal owner is the one who does only two things: he\'s puts the best possible people in charge of each branch of the organization, and he gives them ample funding to accomplish whatever they want.\r\n\r\nAnything after that is either meddling or being a loudmouth douchebag (we\'ll call it Steinbrenner-Henry Syndrome). Anything less than that is being a horrible owner (Jeff Loria, anyone?).'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @Kevin – Does it matter if Angelos cares or not?

Okay, that’s a dumb question, but let me put it better: Does it matter where his priorities are so long as he’s put smart people in charge and is devoting his financial resources to the cause?

Let’s face it, the ideal owner is the one who does only two things: he’s puts the best possible people in charge of each branch of the organization, and he gives them ample funding to accomplish whatever they want.

Anything after that is either meddling or being a loudmouth douchebag (we’ll call it Steinbrenner-Henry Syndrome). Anything less than that is being a horrible owner (Jeff Loria, anyone?).

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]]> By: Kevin http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2009/orioles-in-the-news-at-the-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-30539 Kevin Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:39:55 +0000 http://www.thelosscolumn.com/?p=4201#comment-30539 <a href='#comment-30513' rel="nofollow">@neal s</a> - I'm not saying Angelos needs to be there for every move. I love the fact he's letting Andy do his job. My whole thing with it is if it's not his top priority, does he care?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('30539','Kevin'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('30539','Kevin','<a href=\'#comment-30513\' rel=\"nofollow\">@neal s<\/a> - I\'m not saying Angelos needs to be there for every move. I love the fact he\'s letting Andy do his job. My whole thing with it is if it\'s not his top priority, does he care?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @neal s – I’m not saying Angelos needs to be there for every move. I love the fact he’s letting Andy do his job. My whole thing with it is if it’s not his top priority, does he care?
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]]> By: dan the man http://www.thelosscolumn.com/2009/orioles-in-the-news-at-the-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-30538 dan the man Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:33:33 +0000 http://www.thelosscolumn.com/?p=4201#comment-30538 Yeah, and I suppose it's worth mentioning that those ups and downs can be entire seasons. They not only have to get better at playing individually, but also as a team, and that can take a few years. Then they have all one day realize, "Hey, we have all the pieces, shit what are we waiting for? Let's do this!" I feel like right now, everyone's sort of waiting for the next few pieces to arrive, for Wieters to get his footing and then hopefully they realize they can compete if they bear down and focus. Changing the subject real quick, if you guys haven't checked out some of Lou Gehrig's recently released letters back and forth between he and his doctor, go to ESPN and check it out, especially some of the "last days" ones. Pretty powerful stuff. Brave and positive until the end. Qualities not just anyone can exhibit in the face of a terminal disease.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('30538','dan the man'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('30538','dan the man','Yeah, and I suppose it\'s worth mentioning that those ups and downs can be entire seasons. They not only have to get better at playing individually, but also as a team, and that can take a few years. Then they have all one day realize, \"Hey, we have all the pieces, shit what are we waiting for? Let\'s do this!\" I feel like right now, everyone\'s sort of waiting for the next few pieces to arrive, for Wieters to get his footing and then hopefully they realize they can compete if they bear down and focus.\r\n\r\nChanging the subject real quick, if you guys haven\'t checked out some of Lou Gehrig\'s recently released letters back and forth between he and his doctor, go to ESPN and check it out, especially some of the \"last days\" ones. Pretty powerful stuff. Brave and positive until the end. Qualities not just anyone can exhibit in the face of a terminal disease.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Yeah, and I suppose it’s worth mentioning that those ups and downs can be entire seasons. They not only have to get better at playing individually, but also as a team, and that can take a few years. Then they have all one day realize, “Hey, we have all the pieces, shit what are we waiting for? Let’s do this!” I feel like right now, everyone’s sort of waiting for the next few pieces to arrive, for Wieters to get his footing and then hopefully they realize they can compete if they bear down and focus.

Changing the subject real quick, if you guys haven’t checked out some of Lou Gehrig’s recently released letters back and forth between he and his doctor, go to ESPN and check it out, especially some of the “last days” ones. Pretty powerful stuff. Brave and positive until the end. Qualities not just anyone can exhibit in the face of a terminal disease.

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